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that's our show for tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. and now it's time for the last word, with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. and so it could be alvin bragg who makes history as the first prosecutor in history to bring charges against a former president of the united states. the clock seems to be taking
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now. >> who would've thought. it and i also think this is the first time we really can say, you know, with clarity, that a criminal indictment will be coming down the pipe for a former president of the united states. this is one of the days. mark it on your calendar. the tides of history seem to be turning. >> and if it happens, it might not be the only one. >> indeed not. >> thank you, alex. >> have a good night. >> thank you. well, the breaking news of the night, is that the manhattan district attorney could soon become the first prosecutor in american history to charge a former president with a crime. the new york -- was the first to break the news reporting. the prosecutors offered mr. trump the chance to testify next week before the grand jury that has been hearing evidence in the potential case, the people said. such offers almost always indicate an indictment is close. it would be unusual for the district attorney, alvin el al
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bragg, to notify a potential defendant without ultimately seeking charges against him. in new york, potential defendants have the right to answer questions in the grand jury before they are indicted. but they rarely testify. the washington post is quoting a trump advisor tonight, saying everyone will advise him not to go in. of course. no one has to advise donald trump not to go in and testify under oath. this is something that he lives in fear of. the manhattan investigation is focused on the $130,000 that was paid to actress stephanie clifford, also known as stormy dawn years. during donald trump's first presidential campaign. that was a hush money payment to prevent stormy daniels from telling a story about the one evening she spent with donald trump in his hotel room or four months after his current wife gave birth to his last child.
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the payment worked. temporarily, at least. it kept the story quiet trump d president. the payment to stormy daniels was arranged by donald trump' operative, michael cohen, who was convicted on federal charges in that case. michael cohen was sentenced to three years in federal prison after admitting under oath as prosecutors told the quote, quote, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. all of michael cohen's crimes in the stormy daniels case were committed in coordination with and at the direction of donald trump, who was individual one in those federal court filings. it remains a mystery why the same federal prosecutors did not go after donald trump for the same crimes after he left office. but it appears the man hatton district attorney is now doing that. michael cohen told the washington post tonight that he has met with the district attorney 19 times, and tomorrow
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he will meet with the manhattan district attorney for the 20th time. michael cohen told the washington post that he has not yet been called to testify to the grand jury. so the manhattan district attorney is closing in on donald trump. district attorney fani willis in atlanta, georgia, is closing in on donald trump and his said charges are imminent. we already know that the georgia grand jury recommended that several people be indicted in a criminal investigation that involves donald trump. and special prosecutor jack smith is investigating donald trump for two separate sets of possible federal crimes. one involving donald trump's position of government documents after he left office, and the other involving donald trump's actions leading up to it on january 6th. so there are four separate criminal prosecutions that are closing in on donald trump. and you have to ask yourself,
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what are the odds? what are the odds of donald trump escaping charges in all four of those criminal investigations? if donald trump is going to be criminally charged in any one of those investigations, it is going to be this year. 2023 is going to be the year in history when the first former president of the united states is charged with a crime. it will be the first time that that happens. or it's going to be the year when donald trump finally gets all of his criminal legal problems behind him. and of donald trump is charged with a crime, it might actually help house republicans, because it would take attention away from the way they are humiliating themselves in their own hearings just about every day now. the republican house of representatives did not present their budget for the federal government today because they don't have one. instead, they held clownish
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hearings in which the republican members of the committees and their witnesses were humiliated repeatedly by the truth. but trump fanatic jim jordan, who has never met a subject he wasn't eager to lie about, held a hearing to find out what was going on at twitter before elon musk bought it. >> there's something going on between congressional republicans and elon musk. mister chairman, americans can see through this. musk is helping you out politically, and you're going out of your way to promote and protect him and to praise him for his work. this isn't just a matter of data was given to these so-called journalists before us now. there are many legitimate questions about where musk got the financing to buy twitter. we know for a fact that foreign countries like qatar, saudi arabia, and possibly even russia and china, our investors presently in twitter.
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do these countries now have access to private twitter user data? what agreements has elon musk reached with them? >> jim jordan called -- as a witness. elon musk called on matt thai eby to analyze a very small selection of electronic communication within twitter and to then twitter his analysis of that narrowly selected batch of communication that was selected for matt taibe by elon musk. he did not have access and will never have access to most of electronic communication at twitter. there are millions of emails and text messages that matt i.e. has never seen and will never see. >> elon musk's balloon fed you his cherry-picked information which you must have six factored from its slanted viewpoint or at the very least
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generates another right-wing conspiracy theory. you violated your own standard. and you appeared to have benefited from it. before the release of emails, of emails in the office of last, year you had 661,000 twitter followers. after the twitter files, your followers doubled, and now it's three times what it was last august. i imagine your substack readership, which is a subscription, increase ignorantly because of the work that you did for elon musk. i'm not asking you to put $1 figure on, it but it's obvious that you profited from the twitter files. you hit the jackpot on that vegas slot machine to which you referred. that's true, isn't it? >> i've also reinvested -- >> no, no, no. is it true that you have profited since you are the recipient of the twitter files? you have made money? yes or no? >> it's probably a watch, honestly. >> now, you have made money that you do not have before, correct? >> i have also spent money that i did not have before. i just hired a whole group of people to -- >> the obvious answer,
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reclaiming my, time attention is a powerful drug. eyeballs, money, prominence, attention, all of it goes with problems with accuracy and credibility in the larger point, which is social media companies are not biased against conservatives. if anything they ignored their own policies by allowing trump and other maga extremists to post incessant lies, endangering public safety, and even our democracy. hypocrisy is the hangover of an addiction to attention. >> hypocrisy is the hangover of an addiction to attention. that hypocrisy was in all of these republican hearing rooms today. in a hearing of a subcommittee of the house judiciary committee, the issue of enforcing possible subpoenas served on the biden administration was the subject of the day. jim jordan was not present at this hearing, but he is the chairman of the full judiciary committee of which this subcommittee is apart. >> i think it is quite rich
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that we are talking about subpoena compliance under a chairman of the full committee who was absolutely out of subpoena compliance in the last congress. so we're gonna call witnesses in here today and claim that they did not comply with subpoenas or requests. and that request is so rich because it's coming from on himself did not comply with the january six request so. matt 31 the letter was sent to that representative jordan asking that he honor his subpoena. he was asked over and over again. your witness to a. crime the greatest crime ever committed with the most criminals ever indicted in america where you help your country, where you comply with your subpoena. no compliance. crickets. absolute defiance of the subpoena. and because that's, and is chairman was referred and still pending data house ethics committee. and why? well, it's because he took an
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oath. and we'll have a congressional oath put up there. but the congressional oath mandates that members of congress defend the constitution without any mental reservation or, is it says on the slide, purpose of evasion. not responding to a congressional subpoena is a direct purpose of evasion. so this is our chairman, calling everyone here today, people in the department of justice, the department of education, who are doing the important work to claim they are out of compliance, when he himself is currently out of compliance. >> and in the house oversight committee hearing, kirsten in ocasio-cortez reported that republicans were having a hearing about a word that they could not define. i think you can guess what that word is. >> we have about, what is it, seven, eight hearings just in this committee and subcommittee
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this week. which is a very high number. i have no qualms with this committee working hard. i have no qualms with this committee. doing everything it can. but i think we have our conversation about priorities here. we are having a hearing right now, and it's about what? that the federal government is to oak? that's seriously what we're hearing? and there's no definition of what woke is? but on paper, what is being criticized in this hearing is that the so-called woke policies are remote work for federal workers, especially those who work in rural areas. and those who have disabilities. paying interns so that critical opportunities don't just go to
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privileged kids whose parents can afford to pay for their rent while they go on a free internship. that is what is woke here. that is what the other side is calling woke here. >> leading off our tonight's delegate stacey plaskett, who'd represents the u.s. virgin islands in the house of representatives. she's a ranking member of a select committee on the inner workings of the federal government. and also julie gomez of, a member of the oversight committee. stacey plaskett, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i've got is a theory of why the democratic leadership wanted you to be at the top of this committee. i think it's because they know that you sometimes get to retreat home to the virgin islands where [laughter] you can surround yourself in sanity for a weekend of tranquil sanity before you go back in to what happened inside
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twitter. >> yes. i can go home to americas paradise, where some of the most beautiful place with some of the most beautiful people in the american continent. all of the americas. yes. that's the reason. i'm sure. [laughter] >> when we saw what they tried to do with this twitter testimony today, it just could not have been more ludicrous. there are literally millions upon millions of electronic human occasions never examined by anybody in that room and never will be, and a couple of witnesses in the room were pretending that they actually know something about how twitter used to work, because elon musk handed them some emails from the period before elon musk bought twitter. that's what they were accepting as useful evidence.
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sure. as you heard from the witnesses, when we asked them, how many emails did they have access to? they said, about 100,000. as you said, lawrence, there are millions of emails. that have gone on on twitter. hundreds of millions. the twitter files contained 338 emails. that is what the american people are supposed to take and make an assessment about what is the mind frame, what is twitter about? it's outrageous. it's absolutely outrageous. >> congressman gomez, over the oversight committee, where you are, i have a feeling you're going to be, the republicans on that committee, are going to be trying to define that word that they just learned, for a very long time. >> they are. the reason why, for them, it's not really about the different definition. it's about creating a political tool they can use to gain votes in the 2024 elections. that's what it's about.
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whatever they can fit into woke, as a gender affirming care, is a remote work? whatever it is, they're going to try to fit it into that box. then they use their hate and their division to target disenfranchised communities, like the transgender community. that was another attack that you didn't play, that was an attack that was a constant mode in the oversight committee. attacking the transgender community, one of the most marginalized, one of the most discriminated groups in the country. high rates of suicide, unemployment, homelessness. yet, they want to focus on that, and not how did they make life better for the american people. >> stacey plaskett, do you know what's coming in the agenda for this committee? >> unfortunately, we don't. i have said a number of letters to the chairman, to jim jordan, staff has reached out to say, are there areas that we could investigate together?
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are there areas we can find some agreement on that maybe we do need to fit within the confines of the federal government overreach into american lives? we have given them a list of ones, let's talk about bill barr. how he tried to weaponize the department of justice during the last presidential election. let's talk about the irs, and its propensity to audit working class, african american families. they don't want to have that discussion. then, on top of it, as you saw from the hearing, they don't want to give us information and evidence that they have. we're still waiting to see the hundreds of whistleblowers that they said i have. the three that we have found or not, in fact, whistleblowers. do not have any credible evidence. so, we are always in the waiting game to see what is the latest idea, what rabbit hole have they gone down into that i think we're going to go and crawl in with them. and try to come back as dirty as they are and still tell the
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truth to the american people. there's so much work to do, as you said, lawrence, and jimmy and i are trying to get that done for our constituents, and for everyone in taxpayers dollars are absolutely being wasted with this foolishness that they have us doing. >> congressman gomez, what should your committee, the house oversight committee, be doing? what should that committee be working on? >> there is a variety of issues that we should be working on, we should be working on the train derailment, having oversight, what happened in east palestine. how can we take steps so that that doesn't happen again. at the same time, there are bigger issues that the american people are facing. i'm a new dead, one of the issues i care about is affordable childcare. the expanded child tax credit -- they don't want to discuss. that what they wanted to discuss, the red meat for their base. it is a waste of taxpayer dollars, we want to make sure that we've start focusing on that. when you have no ideas, and no
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agenda except what's based on conspiracy theories, of course, every hearing is going to be laughable and it's gonna be a waste of time. >> congressman jimmy gomez, stacey plaskett, thank you both very much for starting off our discussion tonight. >> thank you. >> thank. >> coming up, one of donald trump's lying lawyers has now admitted, under oath, she was lying and has accepted a censure and the penalty of a fine. the person who forced that lying trump lawyer to admit her lies will join us, next. ts heartburn acid before it begins. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. when it was time to sign up for a medicare plan mom couldn't decide. but thanks to the right plan promise from unitedhealthcare she got a medicare plan expert to help guide her with the right care team behind her. the right plan promise only from unitedhealthcare.
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hear has now admitted that what you are about to hear was ally >> president trump is right that there was widespread fraud in this election, and they're really sick states that were corrected if not more through the voting systems. we know the president trump won in a landslide. >> that is the now admitted liar liar, jenna ellis, a lawyer who was involved in donald trump's lying conspiracy to overturn the last presidential election. she has now admitted, under oath, that every word that you just heard her say, was a lie. and i think she has been censured by the supreme court of colorado, the state choose license to practice law, for specific list of public lies that she told about the presidential election, which she now agrees, under oath,
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were all lies. in her plea bargain to preserve her law license, she has accepted a censure and a fine for saying, quote, hillary clinton still has not conceded the 2016 election, and for saying we have affidavits from witnesses, we have voter intimidation, we have the ballots with were manipulated, we have all kinds of statistics that show that this was a coordinated effort to have all these states to transfer votes from trump to biden, to calculate them in secret. you've heard these lies before. most of them she told on fox, where most of the fox hosts she was lying to did not believe her but helped her push her lies anyway. the disciplinary judge who ruled on the censure said that jenna ellis made the statements, quote, with at least a reckless state of mind, had a selfish motive, and she engaged in a pattern of misconduct. and jenna ellis agreed with
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that description of her conduct by the judge. jenna ellis also admitted, under oath, that realize, quote, caused actual harm by undermining the american public's confidence in the presidential election. joining us now is one of the people who made this happen. michael teeter, managing director of the 65 project, the campaign targeting lawyers who helped donald trump in his conspiracy to overturn the presidential election. thank you very much for joining us tonight. so, we have now a full admission from jenna ellis, give it under the pressure of trying to preserve her law license in colorado. >> that's right. she has admitted that she lied. she lied repeatedly. she lied when she said that on trump won. she lied that when she said joe biden's told the inspection she election into died when she did was fry fraud. -- not just harm in the american
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confidence in democracy but you can taste trace her lies to january six, clearly indirectly. >> and how did you track this case to get it to this point? >> we began researching all the comments that jenna ellis said. obviously she was a notable figure in the trump world. we chat track down every comment she made publicly from the end of the election until january 6th. we compiled them. we put it together. and then we analyze the rules of professional conduct in colorado and impounded all the various ways in which he had violated those rules, violated those standards, violated the oath that she took to become a lawyer. we made it clear to the collaterals supreme court, i think, the she had violated those responsibilities. >> what we read about this today, she agrees, in writing, to what you are saying. >> yes. she has agreed with. it she had to. she stipulated this outcome. she stipulated to the fact that she had lied. she stipulated the facts she violated the rules of professional conduct.
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and she made clear that she had knowingly, at the very, least knowingly misrepresented facts to the american people. >> what else is happening to other lawyers who engaged in this kind of conduct for trump? >> we have seen rudy giuliani is close to losing his law license in new york, and d.c. is about to suspend him as well, most likely disbar him. we have seen other lawyers have state supreme courts or the state bar move against them. john eastman in california. and this is defy project, which without which i lead, has filed 76 marketplace across the country against other lawyers. this is a slow process. we filed our complaint against jenna ellis over a year ago, just about a year ago. and so it's a slow process, but we are expecting other lawyers who participated in the effort also to face public disbarment. >> michael teter, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, what do billionaires
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began his reelection campaign today in pennsylvania in the congressional district of the top democrat on the house budget committee because president biden wants to run on his budget priorities, which he called a blue collar blueprint to rebuild america. and he wants to put republicans on defense for their blueprint to protect billionaires. >> i got elected through a roughly i don't know the economy cause it varies, around 650 billionaires in america. that's over 1000. no the average tax they pay, federal tax? 3%. t hr e, 3%. no billionaire should be paying a lower tax than somebody working as a schoolteacher or a
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firefighter or any of you in this room. >> the budget the president outlined today would create a new 25% on billionaires. it would increase the corporate tax rate from 21% back up to 28%. the corporate tax rate has been significantly higher than that in the past. the president would raise the tax on stock buybacks from 1% to 4%. and president biden's budget would eliminate the tax loophole for so-called carried interest which allows investment bankers to teachers and police officers pay and president biden would increase medicare tax on incomes over $400,000 which would extend the medicare biden budget would cut the federal deficit by three trillion dollars the propaganda speaker kevin mccarthy insisted today the only way republicans
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would ever reduce the budget deficit is through spending cuts alone, and that republicans will continue to protect billionaires from any increase at all in taxation. >> the fact is that the speaker of the house is a very conservative guy and more conservative group, but and the man i met early on, what are we gonna do about the budget? and i said, well let's make a deal. i'm going to introduce my budget on the 9th of march. you introduce yours and will sit down and will go line by line. and we'll go through it, to see if we can agree on it. and then fight it out in congress. i want to make it clear, i'm ready to meet with the speaker anytime tomorrow if he has his budget. leah, downtime in which want to do, i'll show you what i want to do, see what we agree on and on agree on. we [applause]
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>> the president's trip to pennsylvania today was not officially a campaign event. president biden is not yet announced his candidacy for reelection. but it sounded like the first of many biden speeches will we will be hearing in these swing straight of pennsylvania. >> i want to faith congressman brennan boyle for the past for getting in the -- brand-new of been a great friend. thank you, thank you, thank you. [applause] by the way, now he's democratic part of the budget committee. he's the guy that will determine whether my budget gets passed. >> joining us now is that congressman, democrat brendan boyle of pennsylvania. he is the highest ranking democrat on the house budget committee. thank you very much for joining us tonight. it looks like you're going to be seeing a lot of joe biden in your district over the next two years. >> yeah. and i would say very happily
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was great to have the president there, not just in my district, but literally the neighborhood where i happen to live. it also happens to be a neighborhood where there are a lot of firefighters and police officers and teachers, and i can tell, you they pay a hell of a lot more than a 3% tax rate that the billionaires are getting away with paying right now. >> so kevin mccarthy's only response to this today is that absolutely, night we will not go along with any increase in taxation, not one penny more in taxes from billionaires. >> yeah, it's really not surprising. let's not forget the republicans had full control of this place, which was just five years ago, and their very first priority was attempting to repeal obamacare. when that, failed our next priority was passing their two trillion dollar tax cut, 83% of which went to the richest 1%. half of which went to the wealthiest one tenth of 1%. so they have made clear for a
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very long time, their priority is protecting the very rich. it was then and it still is. >> as you go forward, when do you expect, is there any indication on the budget committee when the republicans will present the budget to that committee? >> you know, at first they said it would be, we should be prepared for markup in march. then they were saying april. and now i'm hearing may. but look, i wouldn't hold my breath. it took this crew 15 rounds and four days just to vote for their own guy for speaker. so how exactly they're going to get 218 votes for anything substantive on a budget, i think that remains to be seen. >> meanwhile the clock is ticking on the need to increase the debt ceiling, probably, in the june, july area. what do you expect can possibly happen there, when there are so
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many republicans now in the house of representatives who clearly don't understand what the debt ceiling is? >> it's quite disturbing. i think we had this conversation before. how many of my republican colleagues a right confused default, which we've never experienced as a country, with a government shutdown. they are two very different things, as you know. but too many of my republican colleague colleagues do not. we will find out shortly after april 15th if we are looking at a deadline of june or july or closer to september. but whenever it is, it is very clear, the only way this ends is kevin mccarthy has to put the bill on the floor to allow a clean increase in the debt ceiling. period. we have done it more than 60 times since 1960. we did it three times with donald trump was president. and we're gonna do it again this time. >> if he does that, the democrats, combined with a handful, is all it would take, of reasonable republicans on this issue, it could pass that and get it done.
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but would that be the last day if kevin mccarthy speakership? when everyone else on the republican side vote him out of that speakership? >> so hence the dilemma kevin mccarthy has gotten himself in, he had to cut so many side deals with so many different factions in his republican conference that certainly he would be putting himself politically at risk, something he has not exactly shown himself willing to do up until this point. john boehner was in a similar situation in his speakership. he ultimately did it, and i do think that one way or another, kevin mccarthy will have to do the same thing here. >> congressman brendan boyle of pennsylvania, as a top democratic job on the house committee, their job is never been more difficult. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, donald trump told vladimir putin to just hang on and help him win back the
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very much taking a longer term view, i think he's doubling down in many respects right now. i believe he's convinced that he can make time work for him, he can grind down the ukrainians, through this war of attrition, he can wear down western supporters of ukraine. he's convinced, also, and has been for some time, that ukraine matters more to him than to us. i think the challenges to puncture that view. >> now, vladimir putin definitely knows that all he has to do is hang on until the next presidential election and interfere in every possible way he can. to win the electoral college for donald trump again. and then, donald trump will help vladimir putin take whatever pieces of ukraine, vladimir putin wants. here's what donald trump said about that to sean hannity this week on sean hannity's radio show. >> he understood, he would've never done it. he would've never, that's without even negotiating a
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deal. i could've negotiated. at worst, i could've made a deal to take over something. in oh there are certain areas that are russian speaking areas, frankly, but you could afford to deal. >> joining us now is david breath, cough -- columnist for the daily beast. he's also the host of the deep state radio podcast and author of the new book, american resistance. david, thank you very much for joining us tonight, but what do you suppose is the putin reaction to hearing what donald trump said to sean hannity this week? >> i can't believe that he is surprised to hear it, i think that's what he was counting on all along. what trump said was what i considered one of those rare trump trifectas. in which he reveals his self centeredness and disloyalty to the interest of the country, his ignorance, and, and this is what makes it rare, he accidentally tells the truth. he told the truth.
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he would have handed over parts of ukraine to putin. the ignorance comes in, and then he thinks he could. what we've discovered, of course, the people of ukraine would never go along with that. the trump did not have that kind of influence. but the plan that trump lays out there, would have been catastrophic. it would've chopped off huge trunks of ukraine and of course would know putin would not have fought the, war he would've had to. >> there were people who, before world war ii, really got underway, who kept saying, you know, you can make a deal with adolf elder. you can make a deal. once it was underway, that disappeared. as a concept. what we're hearing from donald trump this week, it's as if the republican candidate for president, in 1944, at the full throttle of world war ii, is running against fdr saying, i can make a deal with hitler, i
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can negotiate with hitler. that is what i'm hearing when i hear donald trump say that. >> yeah, right. it's a good analogy. the beginning of the war, there were politicians who said, well, let's give them part of the czech republic and, czechoslovakia, -- or let's give them part of poland. this is like trump saying, hey, let's give them france and let's throw in england. whatever vlad wants, i'm willing to do that. that's because i'm a mastermind and a genius. >> so, as we go through this presidential election, the issue, by the time we get to november of next year, will be very different, because this war has been different. as time as best, we don't know with the posture of this war is going to be at that time, but that presidential election could very well be about among, other things, the survival of ukraine. >> absolutely.
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it could be. as we get closer to the election, and particularly if it looks like trump is gonna win, all putin has got to do is go slow, he'll be aided if the republicans do what they say they're gonna do, and try to reduce the amount of aid that comes to ukraine. he just got to hang on until trump gets there. he knows that trump will pull the plug on ukrainians, that will make it very tough for the west to maintain its support of ukrainians. and putin will ultimately get the victory he wants. because of the one campaign that he successfully conducted. and that's the campaign to support donald trump. he's been a failure in ukraine. the place is been a success is in the republican party. >> very much so, with this now spreads beyond donald trump, we're now hearing this from marjorie taylor greene, and other republicans. to just completely pull the plug right now on supporting ukraine. >> they have, like trump, they
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have no concept of what u.s. interests are. they have no loyalty to our allies, they don't particularly want to defend democracy in europe, because they're not that interested in defending democracy in the united states. and they see trump as their ally. because trump's authoritarian, he's an ethnonationalism, he doesn't like democracy much, he supports people like viktor orban that they're also keen on, so, they are acting as part of the putin party. >> donald trump knows that he won the electoral college in 2016 with russia's help. that means he knows he's going to need that help again. >> absolutely. i think he also knows, when he says things like this, it makes it more likely that he will get putin's help. that'll get the help of those around putin, in order to support putin. from other parts of the world. and that's his, you know, ace
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in the hole. he doesn't think he can win this fairly, we know that. because he treated like hell the last time, and continues to lie about the election. but he thinks that if he can get the russians to put their thumb on the scale again, and he's got the republican party running scared of him, he's got a shot in the tragic reality is, he does have a shot. >> what is your reaction to kevin mccarthy refusing presidents lynskey's invitation to come to ukraine or discussed with him directly aid to ukraine? >> i don't know what kind of single settled creature kevin mccarthy is more like, i'm an amoeba or a pair mission. what i do know is, kevin mccarthy has no spine. he is running scared, all he does is calculate where his fear of political retribution's greatest, and head in the other direction. he is letting down the united states, and in a very short
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president elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> there's no question. none. that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. the people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. >> that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour stephanie ruhle starts now. ruhl starts now >> tonight's closer to criminal charges. the new reporting about the hush money investigation into former president donald trump and his apparent invitation to testify. then, airline safe die safety in the spotlight as. years of close calls and midair emergencies have travelers on edge. captain sully sullenberger is